Thoughts on Coaches

[TuringComplete]

With a grand total of 128 picks to do and no deadline to make them, it's possible that we'll have pay coaches for a long time. If you sign a coach for $100,000 and the draft takes a month, that's $3,000,000. For those hoping to get a top-notch coach, the outlay could be significantly more.

I understand that some people want to get a coach before their players so they can work with his strengths. Others just want the best coach they can get, but want to pay him for as short a period as possible before games begin.

Here are a couple of suggestions we can discuss:

We can have "live" auctions for the coaches on here with a deadline of say, the end of the first round. Then people would know who their coach was soon, and how much they're paying, but without having to pay him throughout the draft period.

We could have a voting thread for when to take the coaches off waivers. Rather than vote for a particular date, all the votes would say, "I'm ready for coaches to come off waivers." As soon as 17 people responded, they'd come off waivers.

To even out the costs of coaches somewhat, we could sign them, and then when the draft was done, we could ask Scott to add $X to each team -- something along the lines of $150,000 x Number of Days in the draft.

These are just some thoughts for discussion, but I think something ought to be done if we're going to have to pay coaches for a while because I'm not sure people took that into consideration when voting on how much cash to start with.

[Phil D]

why don't we keep it simple and have the bidding on coaches start at the beginning of draft round 4 or half way through round 4 . that way they are in place for a minimal period but should be in place by end of draft so that it does not delay the start of the season

[llfalcon]

Tex, that defeats the purpose of wanting to build a team to a coach's strength

[TuringComplete]

I wanted to add some argument to the auction idea:

I very much dislike the way bidding goes for coaches in Franchise Basketball. The problem is that you can only bid on a single coach, meaning you may miss out on the entire top batch of coaches if you lose the single coach you bid on. If you could bid on multiple coaches I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.

I think a better way can be done by having our own auction, and I think I know the best way to run it. A Dutch auction is one where the price decreases and the first person to "jump in" gets the item at that price. What we do is start the bidding at $1,000,000 per day for all the coaches. (If someone might actually bid that high, then we'd need to start higher.) Each day we lower the price by a set amount, and the first person to post with the coach they want gets him at that price. Here is how the auction might go.
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Day 1: $1,000,000
Day 2: $900,000
Day 3: $800,000
Day 4: $700,000
GredelKhan selects Ralph Bear
Day 5: $600,000
FastTracker selects Bart Mickell
4Horseman11 selects Luthor Carrejo
Day 6: $500,000
Day 7: $450,000
and so on.</pre></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

The result of this auction would be GK paying $700,000 a day for Bear, and FT and 4H paying $650,000 for their coaches. The auction would continue down to about $75,000 at which point it wouldn't matter. Obviously you'd still have to pay at least the minimum the coach demanded.

Here are the advantages:
1. Each person gets the coach they want at the price they're willing to pay as long as it's more than anyone else is.

2. We don't need to have a separate thread for each coach or deadlines or sealed bids. We just agree on when the price drop takes place and then we hardly even need someone to "run" the auction since everyone knows what the appropriate price is.

3. All the coaches get auctioned off at the same time. Given the following progression, we'd be all done in 35 days.

Disadvantages:
1. There's no way to bid at intermediate values. If you want to take a coach at $750,000, there's no way for that to happen.

2. There is a slight advantage for people who are available when the increment drops. If two people both intend to take a coach at $500,000, the one who jumps first will get it.

3. It does require people to be available and have internet access at the time they want to bid. While the draft will pause and wait for someone who's having problems, this auction will continue merrily on.

<font color="#000002" size="1">[ January 30, 2005 06:16 PM: Message edited by: TuringComplete ]</font>

[TuringComplete]

Here's the suggested progression referred to in the preceding post:

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$900,000
$800,000
$700,000
$600,000
$500,000
$450,000
$400,000
$350,000
$325,000
$300,000
$275,000
$250,000
$225,000
$200,000
$190,000
$180,000
$170,000
$160,000
$150,000
$145,000
$140,000
$135,000
$130,000
$125,000
$120,000
$115,000
$110,000
$105,000
$100,000
$95,000
$90,000
$85,000
$80,000
$75,000 </pre></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

[fasttracker]

MY 2 CENTS:


1. I am not for signing coaches now! Only because I know how important a coach can be to your team and will be willing to pay a good amount as I know other teams will do as well.

The only problem with this is that some teams could be paying over 500K a day and we have no idea when games will start .. sure other teams will say "Well thats your fault" ... but again im just saying why i think its a bad idea to sign them now

2. I hate the way a coach is bid on! Only one at a time and its really just a guessing game.

EXAMPLE:
10 guys want one coach

the highest bid is 250K but i dont know that and really want him ... with ten guys i think its prob higher so i go for 500K and get him. Sure im happy but 250K a day more add up and is really stupid in my mind.

3. If this is our league and we have this forum would anyone else be up to an idea like TURINGs where we bid on coaches here.

We see what everyone else is willing to pay and if someone is willing to pay more than you then they get him however in the end everyone prob wont have to OVERPAY. this can work because like other rules of ours its our own GMs that maintain the peace and trust within the leagu.

You dont sign him till the games start but you will at least know he is yours ... and everyone agree's not to try and sign him when the time comes

Anyone up for something like that

[llfalcon]

how about letting everyone bid on coaches. in order to pay them, everyone starts off with a large amount of money to be able to cover any expenses. once the league is ready to start, reset everyone's bank account to $55M, thus erasing the daily salary. also, everyone must avoid advertising, buying contracts and stadiums. everything can be reset to 0 afterwards as well and to the lowest stadium. and maybe set training to 0 trains per day to avoid letting people get a head start. i think i covered all ways to spend money.

[fasttracker]

what the above does

1. you get your coach to build around but arent paying for it right now

2. you arent over paying in the long run

3. you actually see what others are willing to pay ... if you want to pay more thats your choice

4. its rather simple and we have the time to do it while the draft is going on ... allows more activity within the league

[fasttracker]

thats a lot of stuff for Scott to have to do llfalcon ....

plus no on says you have to buy merch/pro/conc or stadium upgrades right now nor do you have to trian if you dont want to

the only thing i can see is people of course buying ads for their fame rank's which is all on you and your money

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ads will cost in the long run dont get me wrong but a coach could be far more expensive especially when he is doing nothing for you but sitting on your roster

[King Z-ster]

I think I have a pretty good idea. We can PM Scott our bids on each coach. That way no money is taken away from the winner of each coach until the draft is over. Scott can give us the next couple of days to PM him (HostBoard PM because he's not in L40) our bids. He announces who the winners are Wednesday morning, and then the draft immediately begins.